Only dead fish go with the flow. I direct the flow. I swim upstream.” This one sentence less than a minute into my interview with Jordan Paris set the stage for a discussion between two kindred soles, even if there is a 40 year biological age difference.

At the tender age of 21 Jordan is a published author and Host of the Growth Mindset University podcast, ranked #26 on Itunes in Education and #3 in Training. He’s been featured in Yahoo Finance, NASDAQ, Market Watch, Men’s Health, and many high profile podcasts. His guest list includes the likes of James Altucher, Dan Lok, Mark Manson and many more.

This episode is reminiscent of episode 1 of Screw the Naysayers when Don Wettrick talked about the big lie, being that the only path to success is through a four year college program. Jordan is heading into his senior year (his parents insisted on College) but pulls no punches in calling out a system that is bankrupting an entire generation while in his words simultaneously enriching College Presidents and bloated administrations. Some of the examples he shares about is own college experiences should give every parent reason to reflect.

Along the way he shared stories about his podcast, the importance of deferred gratification, and why he has pledged never to work for anyone else again.

Prepare for a high energy, thought provoking, discussion.  Enjoy.

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